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we're gonna start here with our science

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communication panel so we have these

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lovely four people sitting up front

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we're all involved in science community

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science communication in one way or

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another and I've taken time out of their

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busy schedules to come and talk to you

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today so I hope you all have some really

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great questions for them this is gonna

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kind of be like an interactive

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discussion with these guys so feel free

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to ask them any questions you have and

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are interested in so starting here first

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we have Jamie Jamie is at the Great Salt

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Lake Institute she is a researcher and

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educator and then we have Aubree who is

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a genetic counselor Gary sorry Audrey

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hey it's the old it's an older name now

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Aubrey's cool but um she's a genetic

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counselor here at the University of Utah

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and created science on tap which is a

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really cool local program where she

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reaches out to scientists and they come

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in and they speak at a local bar and

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then we have Danielle who is a science

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writer and Carrie Shaw who's a

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correctional officer who's involved with

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the inspire program which that nei is

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involved in a little bit and it's this

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really neat program that was developed

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by a professor here at the University of

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Utah and what that program does is bring

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a researcher into some of the local

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jails and they give a talk about their

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research to the inmates and I think it's

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a really unique interesting program okay

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so I'm gonna hand this microphone off

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then okay okay can y'all hear me I love

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meeting new people so I hang out with a

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lot of undergraduate students at

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Westminster College that's where Great

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Salt Lake Institute is based and do you

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know novel science communication like in

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bars or in schools I get to talk to so

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many different people with so many

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different perspectives that kind of

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helps like widen my scope of like why

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doing so just I think that diversity

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yeah and to kind of piggyback off of

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that I am a genetics person genetics

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nerd of sorts but my day job is to talk

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to families who have children with

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genetic conditions and to try to

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communicate really important information

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to them but that's often really complex

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if you've ever tried to discuss

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methylation of a gene to a person who

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maybe hasn't even gone to college or

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graduated high school it's very

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difficult but very pertinent to their

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child's health and their care and so

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through my job I got really passionate

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about science communication because I

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could see the day-to-day effects of

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being able to communicate this

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information to people who otherwise

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don't have access and see how that

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impacts their lives and often it helps

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them make really important decisions in

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their lives so being able to communicate

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difficult or complex information to

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people who otherwise aren't invited to

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the party which it often feels like to

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the general public that they're not

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invited to the science

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they're mulling around down on earth and

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to kind of bring them invite them to the

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parties what I get excited about can

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y'all hear me yes okay yeah I would plus

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one I really like talking to strangers

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science writing you know as I started

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realized science is a lot more fun to

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cover than the school board so for me

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you know so much of what y'all do is is

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really incremental and then I just get

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this whoop in right when something cool

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has been discovered and I hope not dumb

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it down but and I guess to the question

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of what I like about science

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communication it's that challenge of

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making the work that folks like y'all do

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accessible to a broader audience in a

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way that doesn't sabotage the nuance in

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the meaning of it which is forever a

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balancing accident I hope we can talk

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about that some of the next hour but for

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really gratifying and particularly you

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astrobiology I was at triple-a s just

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trying to find spots and a year before

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that I had literally been covering the

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school board and when you walk into a

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room where scientists are debating the

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ethics of shifting from 7-10 metier just

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like this is a legit conversation adults

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that melts your face so hopefully that

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answers the question and then the go to

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dumb it down he has reason why I work at

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no the colleague Tony Joe we try and

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integrate as many treatment programs as

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we possibly can for Wanda it helps them

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not be as bored we try and get them

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ready to step back outside and actually

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go places with their life instead of

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right back where they were I inspire

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program that we have is my one of my

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favorite the prisoners really light up

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and I was like you know wait wait

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first they all just sat there very

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quietly and they listened and they had

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really good questions and they they

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to listen and learn to so anyways as far

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at the job we do try that's what I'm

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over I'm actually a sergeant so get a

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promotion I'm not sore anymore but

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for them either court-ordered or they

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can volunteer to participate it we had

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hello okay hey where's now um so I

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consider a science communication

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probably my best technical skill so it's

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something that I'm constantly trying to

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make better because if you want to

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protect being at the top of that skill

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um besides just doing science

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communication do you have any tips for

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event like of course you took in

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particular or like doing something

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beyond actively do volunteering to

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schools yeah so what's your improvement

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tactically yeah and so I can kind of

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take the lead I had a lot of science

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communication luckily just because of my

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job I had a lot of science communication

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training but when I started science on

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top I wanted to kind of challenge myself

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and really put myself to the test so

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they have a science communication

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workshop at the Natural History Museum

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that I highly recommend that's actually

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a Julia and I know each other and that

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really gets challenges you to learn how

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been in the sciences you really are

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trained to just talk to other experts in

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your field and it's kind of poo-pooed to

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speak any other way in your training and

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so in genetics I got really good at

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was almost you know beaten to me which

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is a strong word but you do experience a

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lot of shame if you say something that's

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not precise or not exactly right or you

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metaphor analogy that's not exactly what

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you know your science is you do get that

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shaming at least that was my experience

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to that's their experience as well and

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so when you come and into a situation

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where like with science on top we help

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public so we're basically like

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graphs get rid of all your data and tell

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a story to the general public because

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your bar right now isn't to make someone

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an expert in your field the bar that you

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want to reach is to get someone excited

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about your field to get them to go home

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don't know if the grading is the right

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word but it can come off like you're

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just in this place of power and you

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don't feel like you can really reach out

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to someone who doesn't have your

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insights or your intelligence and I'm

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certain that that's not our goal as

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scientists by any means but

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unfortunately we're just trained to be

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that way and so I think doing things you

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know activities like the science

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Natural History Museum doing things like

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science on top where you're literally

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literally your goal is just to tell a

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story to the general public to get them

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interested in and your work those are

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ways to challenge yourself and get more

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information and experience with science

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communication and certainly I'm sure in

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your case going to schools and talking

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to to kids would get you there as well

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because you learn really fast what lands

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I've been on the I've been on the kind

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of science on tap side of things where

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people were coaching me so I like

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purposefully put myself in situations

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that make me very uncomfortable where I

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have to tell personal stories in order

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to like capture people in front of large

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audiences and I learn every time I do

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that I learn you know the the stories

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that capture people are kind of the

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kinds of stories that that capture

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people and so and and not just I never

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out holding myself into one kind of

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situation like I can work with teachers

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and build curriculum for our K through

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12 teachers but then I can go into a bar

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and I can tell a five-minute story that

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like has all of my science in it too of

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like my biology and so I mean really

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like to me putting yourself in

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situations that make you uncomfortable

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and kind of stretched like how you're

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telling your science story and being

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willing to take advice from other people

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that are better at it than I am er that

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have a different perspective is really

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important and she's being modest she was

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on Science Friday with iris hello so I

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know I'm like recently like I'm

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especially like in a lot of like

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journalism art news one of the ways that

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people have been like changing how they

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deliver it like with the increased

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popularity of TV shows like Billy show

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or perhaps Colbert Report and since

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science is still kind of like similar in

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the way that it's like communicating is

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trying to like convey an idea and

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information and like those ways do you

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see like any unique way communicating

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science is like starting to change like

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weather in that direction or probably

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like in a way that you need to itself I

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think the biggest change is it's so much

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relationships with mass audiences

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and other people may be able to speak to

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this better than I can

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my impression is historically that's

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been stigmatized to dealing with the

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public has been stigmatized and anymore

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I think it's sort of seen as part of the

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job I don't know if anybody would use

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the word duty exactly but the the other

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way that I can think of that it's sort

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of evolving is media are there's so much

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pressure to get clean

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and I think from a scientists point of

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view the danger is that something you're

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doing that's incremental or modest and

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scope gets overhyped and finding a way

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to control that narrative so that you

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know a reporter who thinks they kind of

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get what you're doing doesn't go back to

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their editor and end up with this

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sensational headline that you don't even

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recognize on your work I think that

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pressure to get attention to to do the

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most attention-grabbing version of the

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story possible oh I think that's part of

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the challenge for for science and

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science communication right now I don't

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know if that answered your question or

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this question is very sergeant cha does

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your program connect inmates with

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educational opportunities and is there

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any evidence to support that the program

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reduces recidivism we do we have a GED

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program in the facility a lot of people

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and I brought a report that was from was

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from 2014 we try and we're trying to get

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this back out so we have adult education

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through granite peaks and so in 2013 GED

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graduates increased by 60% though that

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was an increase from the prior year of

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326 percent so it's pretty astounding

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now it seems like once they put their

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minds to it they they can really achieve

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this year I believe we're higher than

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that lots of adult education we have

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it's called a cat's program so it's an

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addiction treatment services so that

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that's court-ordered in that they learn

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it's a 90 day program they learn all

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sorts of life skills basically to get

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back out there and people actually hire

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from within that so sorry I don't have

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an exact number for this year but we're

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still working on this year Oh for this

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one for the whole panel and as a

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graduate student I feel like I've gotten

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a lot of advice of how to do science

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communication they make a twitter make a

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website write things it's definitely a

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lot so what's your opinion on the

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balance between actually doing science

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active doing her job as a graduate

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student or undergrad her researcher and

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trying to get your work out and trying

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to get your name on a communication side

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of things I would love to start with

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that because

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it is this hard balance and you're like

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I want this whole program when I when we

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started like Institute like the world

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was in front of us

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and we had no expectations or like any

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overarching things we got to make that

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up and it was almost like it was almost

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over well it was it was very

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overwhelming and we just had to start at

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one spot and I would recommend starting

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in a spot where you can like be

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efficient like take your research and

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and look at it and see what makes sense

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for you to do that and I'll give you an

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example you know probably a lot of you

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have read dr. Barney Baxter's research

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and she you know is a frequent presenter

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and apps icon I don't hit has anybody

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heard of Bonnie you're probably

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disappointed it is like see me here

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because she couldn't come today I'll

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give you an example though you know we

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study we study microbes her lab does a

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lot of studying of microbes and we have

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undergraduates and different faculty

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members that work with us and sometimes

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we felt like we would talk to people in

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school as there were people in the

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community and they didn't understand

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microbes like it was this like dirty

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thing that you got on your hands and

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made you sick and so we start one of the

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examples of what we've started is our

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art night so microbial paint nights

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where our community comes in and our

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undergraduate students explain you know

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all about like sterile technique and

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what our microbes and oh by the way

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you're using all of these microbes that

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are cultured from Great Salt Lake plans

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or Great Salt Lake water and we're gonna

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color with those and it turns into this

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really exciting event where people pay

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you can't even see it in 48 hours you

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have this like art exhibit that you can

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put out that our community has made and

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so you know that's that's one example of

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where we could like put

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direct like research of like our

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students worked in the lab and we can

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have them pretty easily translate that

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into a PowerPoint and have this

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microbial paint night so start where

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you're at and it might feel it might not

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feel like science communication you know

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there's lots of different ways to do

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that mm-hmm and just to kind of I think

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you know these social media platforms

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are a nice way to reach people but I

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always recommend just going out into the

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community because you don't know how

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your information is landing on social

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media as well as when you're face to

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face with someone and trying to explain

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and get them interested in your topic so

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things like science on top things like

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activities like what Jamie described

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there's a lot or even the Natural

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History Museum has a lot of events that

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they put on that you could get involved

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with where you can kind of go hang out

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there and talk to the general public

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about your research so they do a lot of

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really cool things and I think getting

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out there and actually talking to people

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will give you a really good idea of

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where you're deficient because people

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will glaze over right away if you're not

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speaking to them or you can learn right

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away it's like no one asks you a

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question probably they're not

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understanding it so you can go out and

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kind of challenge yourself and see how

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you know engaged you can get someone in

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your topic and that will teach you so

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much more than I think Twitter or

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Facebook so I would recommend trying to

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do something like that if you start it

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yourself or if you join someone someone

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else's program to do it and that's all

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resume building - those are all things

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that you can that can kind of speak to

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your ability to communicate and I think

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Audrey brings up a really good point

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about partnerships so people are doing a

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lot of really interesting

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communication or work in the community

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partner you know with your very partner

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with the Natural History Museum and any

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of those partnerships and you might feel

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like they're whacky like they might be

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with the Utah State government I mean

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are they they're like all of these

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enthusiastic people that almost don't

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have a voice and you can find yourself

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being their voice by presenting research

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that you've worked with on them that was

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just another sight hi so I'm interested

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in your role as not just science

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communicators yourselves but as

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facilitators for science communication

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so putting other scientists and

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researchers in contact with members of

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different groups of people whether they

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be inmates children senior citizens so

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do you have any advice for people who

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are not just looking to expand their own

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skills as communicators we're also

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looking to start programming to share

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that experience with others and inspire

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start small like we've had a really good

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luck at Great Salt Lake Institute smart

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starting small and growing organically

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so we can like make adjustments to our

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programming as we need to and I mean

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also like there's a money factor behind

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it right that you have to have money and

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by starting small and we can kind of

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follow the money and and and we we can

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like adjust to money that we might find

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available that can enhance our programs

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but it can also like really build those

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programs that was kind of yeah yeah no I

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totally agree in like science on top has

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partnered with the Great Salt Lake

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Institute so they're much bigger than us

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and so they've been really helpful so to

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kind of go back to that partnership role

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like there's so many people like you

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know I have someone from the Natural

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History Museum on my team I'm at the

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University there's so many groups that

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are really passionate about

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projects and man the volunteers that you

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can get to help with this you know none

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of our scientists are paid to come talk

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at a bar although we do give them free

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beer

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wink wink but you know these are efforts

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that people are just volunteering their

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time because they feel so strongly about

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it and I think it's you know being here

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at the U or being at a university in

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general you'll have access to tap into

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to volunteers as well I live in a small

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college town and I've been trying to

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start it hard work man basically a lot

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of flyering I go around town before

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science on top events and just fly or

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different places because my goal isn't

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to isn't just to bring out scientists in

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fact you know it's an easy sell to

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scientist because it has science in the

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title and you might challenge yourself

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not to even put science in the title of

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yours just because I think you will get

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scientists at your event if you do and

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that's something I'm way too deep into

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it now but that's something I now I'm

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thinking about but if you're trying to

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reach out to the general public which I

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hope you do flyering getting a good

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graphic designer on your team who can

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really speak towards the general public

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is student it's 50% of your problem so

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it's advertising so if you can get

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someone and who can design something

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that's really accessible and not just

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like a microscope and you know some guy

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looking in it then you might have a

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better reach right like get something

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hi sorry one second

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just just ahead to that one way to grow

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your audience is to find people that

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already have audiences and sort of

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hijacked so if you if you're recruiting

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someone to give talks that already has

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an audience or if you can activate

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student media or just other sort of

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adjacent groups that aren't exactly in

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the science silo but that might be

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interested like when I did public radio

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in Nashville there is a very devoted

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maker group that was also interested in

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science and they didn't have the word

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science and a name but they would

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great so this is one of the things that

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has come up a lot as we're talking about

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this is we talk about science and we

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talk about scientists and the public and

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we make a distinction between the public

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and scientists and I guess I was just

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wondering what what your thoughts on

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that were cuz I think some of some of

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the distrust maybe of science and

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scientists is that they're very you know

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other and distinct and so you know

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scientists are people too but I'm not

548
00:26:37,750 --> 00:26:36,050
sure that everyone necessarily

549
00:26:40,120 --> 00:26:37,760
understands that so I was just wondering

550
00:26:42,730 --> 00:26:40,130
is there better phrasing we could be

551
00:26:45,760 --> 00:26:42,740
using versus like general public lay

552
00:26:47,040 --> 00:26:45,770
public that kind of thing just what are

553
00:26:51,190 --> 00:26:47,050
your thoughts on that distinction

554
00:26:54,550 --> 00:26:51,200
language is everything so absolutely

555
00:26:56,700 --> 00:26:54,560
saying things that seem derogatory like

556
00:27:01,060 --> 00:26:56,710
oh I have to dumb this down for you

557
00:27:01,420 --> 00:27:01,070
you're already saying that I'm smarter

558
00:27:03,130 --> 00:27:01,430
than you

559
00:27:06,540 --> 00:27:03,140
right like I'm up here and you're down

560
00:27:10,900 --> 00:27:06,550
here science has a long history of that

561
00:27:13,120 --> 00:27:10,910
and you know some of the best questions

562
00:27:17,380 --> 00:27:13,130
come from the general public come from

563
00:27:20,590 --> 00:27:17,390
people who are not in your field so I

564
00:27:24,340 --> 00:27:20,600
think making them partners in your

565
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:24,350
effort rather than your student is a

566
00:27:30,240 --> 00:27:27,730
really good challenge for scientist

567
00:27:34,050 --> 00:27:30,250
community I think it needs to start in

568
00:27:36,480 --> 00:27:34,060
the university because I think we're

569
00:27:39,360 --> 00:27:36,490
training people just again to talk to

570
00:27:42,060 --> 00:27:39,370
their peers so even across the sciences

571
00:27:43,830 --> 00:27:42,070
like I'm in genetics but I might not be

572
00:27:46,740 --> 00:27:43,840
able to read one of your publications

573
00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:46,750
and its entirety right because I'm not

574
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:51,090
trained in your language so I may have

575
00:27:55,710 --> 00:27:53,650
some skills that the general public

576
00:27:58,170 --> 00:27:55,720
doesn't have to be able to ask better or

577
00:28:01,410 --> 00:27:58,180
you know ask questions and get to the

578
00:28:03,360 --> 00:28:01,420
point but we have problems even across

579
00:28:07,710 --> 00:28:03,370
the disciplines communicating with each

580
00:28:09,570 --> 00:28:07,720
other so I think you know it needs to

581
00:28:10,830 --> 00:28:09,580
start with how we're talking about it

582
00:28:13,670 --> 00:28:10,840
like we don't want to say we're dumbing

583
00:28:17,180 --> 00:28:13,680
things down to people we don't want to

584
00:28:20,700 --> 00:28:17,190
come in like they're our student now

585
00:28:22,260 --> 00:28:20,710
when we're talking to them come in like

586
00:28:23,640 --> 00:28:22,270
your partner is you just happen to know

587
00:28:27,180 --> 00:28:23,650
a little bit more about this subject

588
00:28:29,250 --> 00:28:27,190
right and so but kind of bring them up

589
00:28:30,630 --> 00:28:29,260
to your level bring them in as partners

590
00:28:32,130 --> 00:28:30,640
you just might have to change your

591
00:28:36,510 --> 00:28:32,140
language and how you're discussing that

592
00:28:38,460 --> 00:28:36,520
issue and then like programs where we're

593
00:28:40,260 --> 00:28:38,470
doing outreach up you know my program

594
00:28:42,720 --> 00:28:40,270
doing outreach up bar is the whole point

595
00:28:45,330 --> 00:28:42,730
is to show that scientists you know are

596
00:28:48,350 --> 00:28:45,340
human too right like we'll have a beer

597
00:28:50,750 --> 00:28:48,360
with you we'll take a shot with you well

598
00:28:54,180 --> 00:28:50,760
you know we're really smart about

599
00:28:57,300 --> 00:28:54,190
astrobiology but we I have no idea how

600
00:28:58,920 --> 00:28:57,310
to fix a car so tell me about that you

601
00:29:00,540 --> 00:28:58,930
know make them feel like experts in

602
00:29:04,590 --> 00:29:00,550
their lives too because they may know

603
00:29:06,600 --> 00:29:04,600
something more that you don't know and

604
00:29:08,820 --> 00:29:06,610
if you can kind of level that playing

605
00:29:10,470 --> 00:29:08,830
field with them by saying like hey I

606
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:10,480
know a lot about this subject that you

607
00:29:14,670 --> 00:29:12,130
know a lot about this and be interested

608
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:14,680
in what they're interested in you can

609
00:29:19,860 --> 00:29:17,410
bring them in as peers and as partners

610
00:29:23,340 --> 00:29:19,870
and in science which i think is super

611
00:29:27,030 --> 00:29:23,350
important like I said some of the best

612
00:29:29,070 --> 00:29:27,040
questions I get are from families about

613
00:29:31,230 --> 00:29:29,080
genetics in particular from like kids

614
00:29:34,590 --> 00:29:31,240
and families who are like well what is

615
00:29:35,570 --> 00:29:34,600
that and I'm like oh good question good

616
00:29:38,790 --> 00:29:35,580
question

617
00:29:40,320 --> 00:29:38,800
and I have to say I don't know a lot so

618
00:29:43,650 --> 00:29:40,330
I mean I think you mean there's a lot to

619
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:43,660
be gained and I would say I use a lot of

620
00:29:48,690 --> 00:29:46,240
personal stories about my life because

621
00:29:50,970 --> 00:29:48,700
like Audrey said like you know like I

622
00:29:52,740 --> 00:29:50,980
was like shaking out my wrinkly clothes

623
00:29:54,510 --> 00:29:52,750
this morning and probably just like

624
00:29:56,490 --> 00:29:54,520
everybody else was trying to decide is

625
00:29:58,920 --> 00:29:56,500
this too wrinkly to wear in front of a

626
00:30:01,830 --> 00:29:58,930
panel I mean like we're all doing these

627
00:30:05,220 --> 00:30:01,840
same things and we can like be personal

628
00:30:12,660 --> 00:30:05,230
and maybe you study genetics because of

629
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:12,670
a personal story here we did that or and

630
00:30:17,070 --> 00:30:14,530
we can tell those stories we don't have

631
00:30:26,100 --> 00:30:17,080
to like separate ourselves as a

632
00:30:28,850 --> 00:30:26,110
scientist from the rest of the world use

633
00:30:34,140 --> 00:30:28,860
your personal stories sorry

634
00:30:35,610 --> 00:30:34,150
don't yell at YouTube yell at people so

635
00:30:37,830 --> 00:30:35,620
this question sort of posted the entire

636
00:30:39,120 --> 00:30:37,840
panel one of the unfortunate side

637
00:30:40,620 --> 00:30:39,130
effects that I've noticed lately is

638
00:30:42,960 --> 00:30:40,630
science communication is that we end up

639
00:30:45,570 --> 00:30:42,970
preaching to our own echo chamber so

640
00:30:47,850 --> 00:30:45,580
whether it's events in a public sphere

641
00:30:49,500 --> 00:30:47,860
in reality or on Twitter or social media

642
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:49,510
we tend to self-select and still

643
00:30:51,900 --> 00:30:50,770
communicate with the same people over

644
00:30:54,180 --> 00:30:51,910
and over and over again that probably

645
00:30:56,520 --> 00:30:54,190
don't need to be science communicated to

646
00:30:58,140 --> 00:30:56,530
so I'm kind of curious as to some

647
00:31:00,000 --> 00:30:58,150
strategies maybe from your experience

648
00:31:01,710 --> 00:31:00,010
that you may have deployed or you would

649
00:31:03,060 --> 00:31:01,720
like to see deployed to communicate to

650
00:31:06,150 --> 00:31:03,070
people that may not be comfortable

651
00:31:07,950 --> 00:31:06,160
showing up to science events for

652
00:31:11,970 --> 00:31:07,960
whatever reason cultural socio-economic

653
00:31:14,370 --> 00:31:11,980
whatever and kind of thoughts as to how

654
00:31:15,780 --> 00:31:14,380
do we continue sort of dispersing this a

655
00:31:19,290 --> 00:31:15,790
bedchambers or not just talking to the

656
00:31:20,700 --> 00:31:19,300
same people over and over again yeah I I

657
00:31:22,320 --> 00:31:20,710
think about this question a lot

658
00:31:25,700 --> 00:31:22,330
particularly in the context of climate

659
00:31:31,530 --> 00:31:25,710
change because I grew up in the south

660
00:31:34,779 --> 00:31:31,540
and the advice I've got now this which

661
00:31:39,159 --> 00:31:34,789
is harder to deployed since I live in

662
00:31:40,749 --> 00:31:39,169
is you have to start by listening and

663
00:31:44,919 --> 00:31:40,759
listen to where people are coming from

664
00:31:47,229 --> 00:31:44,929
and if you lecture and you don't make it

665
00:31:50,049 --> 00:31:47,239
a conversation people are going to get

666
00:31:52,959 --> 00:31:50,059
entrenched and there at second I feel

667
00:31:55,739 --> 00:31:52,969
like a conversation to them and in

668
00:31:58,539 --> 00:31:55,749
listening it helps to be listening to

669
00:32:00,070 --> 00:31:58,549
you know if if they have doubts about

670
00:32:02,799 --> 00:32:00,080
science or about an issue like climate

671
00:32:03,969 --> 00:32:02,809
change be trying to listen to where

672
00:32:07,180 --> 00:32:03,979
they're coming from or what their

673
00:32:08,889 --> 00:32:07,190
concern is and be empathetic and try to

674
00:32:11,619 --> 00:32:08,899
hear it from their point of view I think

675
00:32:12,999 --> 00:32:11,629
it's a lot easier for someone to listen

676
00:32:17,339 --> 00:32:13,009
when they feel like you're sort of on

677
00:32:19,930 --> 00:32:17,349
the same team the other question and

678
00:32:21,700 --> 00:32:19,940
this scene is just on loop forever in my

679
00:32:24,759 --> 00:32:21,710
mind that the context of science

680
00:32:26,619 --> 00:32:24,769
communication is this seems somewhere in

681
00:32:28,690 --> 00:32:26,629
the movie margin call where the CEO of

682
00:32:31,539 --> 00:32:28,700
an investment brokerage is trying to get

683
00:32:33,249 --> 00:32:31,549
the financier Wizkid former rocket

684
00:32:35,169 --> 00:32:33,259
science to explain to them like why

685
00:32:37,239 --> 00:32:35,179
their bank is on the verge of collapse

686
00:32:44,799 --> 00:32:37,249
and he says speak to me as you would a

687
00:32:46,209 --> 00:32:44,809
child or golden retriever and you know

688
00:32:49,869 --> 00:32:46,219
as a journalist I feel like part of my

689
00:32:51,700 --> 00:32:49,879
job is to not take it as condescending

690
00:32:53,039 --> 00:32:51,710
when a scientist explains it to me

691
00:32:57,159 --> 00:32:53,049
conversationally rather than

692
00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:57,169
paraphrasing their abstract I hope that

693
00:33:01,659 --> 00:33:00,080
pops to answer your question what and I

694
00:33:02,950 --> 00:33:01,669
would say just to kind of piggyback off

695
00:33:04,810 --> 00:33:02,960
of that because I totally agree I think

696
00:33:06,759 --> 00:33:04,820
it's really easy to get in these echo

697
00:33:10,719 --> 00:33:06,769
chambers and all kinds of areas right

698
00:33:14,349 --> 00:33:10,729
not just science with social media in

699
00:33:15,669 --> 00:33:14,359
particular but you know kind of going

700
00:33:17,440 --> 00:33:15,679
back to getting out in the community and

701
00:33:20,109 --> 00:33:17,450
really meeting people I think that's a

702
00:33:23,019 --> 00:33:20,119
big part of it and that's something I

703
00:33:24,940 --> 00:33:23,029
don't like the social medias is because

704
00:33:27,489 --> 00:33:24,950
I think you just end up in an echo

705
00:33:28,539 --> 00:33:27,499
chamber a lot of times but if you

706
00:33:30,399 --> 00:33:28,549
actually go out into your community

707
00:33:34,570 --> 00:33:30,409
you're kind of forced to deal with

708
00:33:37,779 --> 00:33:34,580
people and I always like to play the

709
00:33:39,669 --> 00:33:37,789
long game so my goal isn't to make

710
00:33:43,180 --> 00:33:39,679
someone expert in climate change but

711
00:33:44,210 --> 00:33:43,190
maybe make someone who's super who

712
00:33:45,980 --> 00:33:44,220
doesn't believe in kind

713
00:33:48,590 --> 00:33:45,990
change have a good experience with

714
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:48,600
someone who does right because that's a

715
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:50,490
big problem in our country right now and

716
00:33:57,799 --> 00:33:53,490
not to make this a bigger statement than

717
00:33:59,930 --> 00:33:57,809
I'm trying but is we start hating each

718
00:34:02,930 --> 00:33:59,940
other and you're never going to in

719
00:34:04,370 --> 00:34:02,940
arguing with each other instead of let's

720
00:34:06,950 --> 00:34:04,380
just have a pleasant experience with

721
00:34:10,070 --> 00:34:06,960
each other and realize that someone on

722
00:34:11,990 --> 00:34:10,080
two different spectrums can still have a

723
00:34:14,270 --> 00:34:12,000
pleasant experience so I always try to

724
00:34:18,379 --> 00:34:14,280
make that effort when I'm out and about

725
00:34:20,710 --> 00:34:18,389
in public even if someone's you know not

726
00:34:22,609 --> 00:34:20,720
in the science at all not into what I do

727
00:34:24,560 --> 00:34:22,619
certainly there's a lot of ethical

728
00:34:27,440 --> 00:34:24,570
issues and genetics that I can get into

729
00:34:29,030 --> 00:34:27,450
trouble with with people I just want

730
00:34:30,859 --> 00:34:29,040
people to have a good experience with me

731
00:34:40,460 --> 00:34:30,869
and kind of realize that that's

732
00:34:43,460 --> 00:34:40,470
available I'm gonna do this I really go

733
00:34:46,040 --> 00:34:43,470
back to like what is my audience who is

734
00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:46,050
the person that I am trying to reach and

735
00:34:51,409 --> 00:34:49,290
like you know what don't just think that

736
00:34:53,540 --> 00:34:51,419
you can like take a coloring sheet to

737
00:34:57,290 --> 00:34:53,550
like hang out with six-year-olds and

738
00:34:59,300 --> 00:34:57,300
talk about a sign should really be like

739
00:35:00,920 --> 00:34:59,310
I'm interactive and working with

740
00:35:08,450 --> 00:35:00,930
six-year-olds and getting their hands

741
00:35:10,490 --> 00:35:08,460
working and maybe with 80 year olds you

742
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:10,500
want to talk about the history of Great

743
00:35:14,900 --> 00:35:12,810
Salt Lake and of like those old salt

744
00:35:17,420 --> 00:35:14,910
hair that people used to go dancing on

745
00:35:20,300 --> 00:35:17,430
so really like every time you start a

746
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:20,310
project think about your audience and

747
00:35:26,089 --> 00:35:22,290
think about how you can modify what

748
00:35:28,220 --> 00:35:26,099
you're doing to reach that audience and

749
00:35:36,230 --> 00:35:28,230
today I would say connect instead of

750
00:35:38,300 --> 00:35:36,240
reach so I'm from the University of

751
00:35:40,010 --> 00:35:38,310
Missouri and I'm involved in this

752
00:35:42,440 --> 00:35:40,020
organization called science on wheels

753
00:35:44,150 --> 00:35:42,450
where we basically take a group of

754
00:35:45,470 --> 00:35:44,160
scientists who practice science

755
00:35:46,790 --> 00:35:45,480
communication and we go into rural

756
00:35:48,829 --> 00:35:46,800
communities where there's not great

757
00:35:51,800 --> 00:35:48,839
science programs and we talk to people

758
00:35:52,730 --> 00:35:51,810
of all ages and it's usually very

759
00:35:54,319 --> 00:35:52,740
hit-or-miss like

760
00:35:56,780 --> 00:35:54,329
the people that come always are very

761
00:35:58,099 --> 00:35:56,790
engaged and seem to ask a lot of

762
00:35:59,750 --> 00:35:58,109
questions to enjoy but one of the

763
00:36:01,640 --> 00:35:59,760
problems that were repeatedly having is

764
00:36:03,980 --> 00:36:01,650
kind of getting people to reliably

765
00:36:06,290 --> 00:36:03,990
reliably come and we are going to

766
00:36:07,970 --> 00:36:06,300
different counties so I guess my

767
00:36:09,770 --> 00:36:07,980
question is since we're constantly

768
00:36:12,650 --> 00:36:09,780
moving locations do you have any

769
00:36:16,190 --> 00:36:12,660
suggestions of how we could get a more

770
00:36:18,230 --> 00:36:16,200
reliable audience I think you should

771
00:36:21,650 --> 00:36:18,240
feed them I always feed them people

772
00:36:23,599 --> 00:36:21,660
always want food or like like being I

773
00:36:26,900 --> 00:36:23,609
mean it's silly to and I struggle with

774
00:36:30,049 --> 00:36:26,910
like buying plastic crap to like get

775
00:36:32,030 --> 00:36:30,059
people to come but food always works I

776
00:36:48,260 --> 00:36:32,040
mean with college students with young

777
00:36:52,099 --> 00:36:48,270
people with teachers it food way high um

778
00:36:54,589 --> 00:36:52,109
so it's part of the my master's thesis I

779
00:36:56,990 --> 00:36:54,599
had a lot of coding to do and I looked

780
00:36:58,940 --> 00:36:57,000
at the program thought I can't do this I

781
00:37:01,370 --> 00:36:58,950
don't have the skill so we launched a

782
00:37:04,339 --> 00:37:01,380
huge social media campaign to try and

783
00:37:06,049 --> 00:37:04,349
kind of educate people other scientists

784
00:37:07,700 --> 00:37:06,059
about the project and try and get people

785
00:37:10,160 --> 00:37:07,710
involved and volunteering to help us

786
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:10,170
with the coding side that that none of

787
00:37:14,089 --> 00:37:12,240
us could do and although that was

788
00:37:16,039 --> 00:37:14,099
successful when we did find quite a few

789
00:37:19,190 --> 00:37:16,049
volunteers we also got quite a lot of

790
00:37:21,650 --> 00:37:19,200
negativity and negative like comments

791
00:37:23,660 --> 00:37:21,660
and tweets about kind of you know why

792
00:37:25,849 --> 00:37:23,670
can't you do this and why hasn't this

793
00:37:27,049 --> 00:37:25,859
been done before and so just my question

794
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:27,059
judgment is like how do you deal with

795
00:37:32,690 --> 00:37:30,000
haters or like people who you know

796
00:37:32,990 --> 00:37:32,700
people like against kind of what you're

797
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:33,000
doing

798
00:37:44,660 --> 00:37:36,930
Thanks I had a particular incident on

799
00:37:46,370 --> 00:37:44,670
sites on top where these big guys we're

800
00:37:52,400 --> 00:37:46,380
not happy to have signs in a bar and we

801
00:37:54,440 --> 00:37:52,410
purposely keep our topics as

802
00:37:57,170 --> 00:37:54,450
non-political as we can right like

803
00:38:00,950 --> 00:37:57,180
science has been politicized but we try

804
00:38:03,020 --> 00:38:00,960
really hard not to make it sound like

805
00:38:06,260 --> 00:38:03,030
it's leaning one way or another

806
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:06,270
and they got very angry

807
00:38:11,829 --> 00:38:09,570
to science and a bar man it was not what

808
00:38:15,800 --> 00:38:11,839
they wanted they felt like it was

809
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:15,810
disruptive to them and it really upset

810
00:38:23,030 --> 00:38:18,480
me at the end of the day and it was

811
00:38:27,079 --> 00:38:23,040
scary it was scary they were big guys

812
00:38:29,829 --> 00:38:27,089
and getting you know it was like yeah

813
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:29,839
it's like online bullying in person um

814
00:38:37,910 --> 00:38:36,210
which is a thing so and you know it

815
00:38:40,070 --> 00:38:37,920
really upset me but at the end of the

816
00:38:41,750 --> 00:38:40,080
day and I don't know that I have a good

817
00:38:45,800 --> 00:38:41,760
resolution to that because it wasn't

818
00:38:49,339 --> 00:38:45,810
like I changed their mind about science

819
00:38:51,740 --> 00:38:49,349
and bars or about what I do and I think

820
00:38:54,410 --> 00:38:51,750
it's hard people have these ingrained

821
00:38:55,970 --> 00:38:54,420
feelings and emotions within them and I

822
00:38:58,430 --> 00:38:55,980
don't know that you can really change

823
00:39:00,980 --> 00:38:58,440
their mind on everything but I took it

824
00:39:04,250 --> 00:39:00,990
as a lesson like I almost took it as a

825
00:39:07,280 --> 00:39:04,260
badge of honor like I must be doing

826
00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:07,290
something then right because if I get to

827
00:39:14,030 --> 00:39:09,930
the point where I'm facing these people

828
00:39:16,730 --> 00:39:14,040
who are angry it means I'm reaching

829
00:39:20,710 --> 00:39:16,740
other audiences that wouldn't

830
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:20,720
necessarily see science it means that I

831
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:23,490
have been you know have a big enough

832
00:39:30,260 --> 00:39:27,089
audience that now I'm getting people to

833
00:39:32,900 --> 00:39:30,270
speak up that are angry about it

834
00:39:36,370 --> 00:39:32,910
and I think at the end of the day you

835
00:39:38,720 --> 00:39:36,380
just try to not engage you try to have

836
00:39:40,579 --> 00:39:38,730
again it goes back to the long game

837
00:39:43,160 --> 00:39:40,589
approach of just I just want them to

838
00:39:45,079 --> 00:39:43,170
have a good interaction but in that

839
00:39:46,670 --> 00:39:45,089
particular case that wasn't gonna happen

840
00:39:48,530 --> 00:39:46,680
they had a chip on their shoulder and

841
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:48,540
there was no way that was going to be a

842
00:39:52,970 --> 00:39:50,970
good interaction or something that was

843
00:39:56,359 --> 00:39:52,980
going to be resolved so I think you just

844
00:39:58,820 --> 00:39:56,369
kind of have to realize that when you do

845
00:40:01,670 --> 00:39:58,830
things and when you reach a large

846
00:40:03,890 --> 00:40:01,680
audience that will happen and just kind

847
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:03,900
of wear it as a badge of honor like you

848
00:40:10,190 --> 00:40:07,170
did something that was so big that there

849
00:40:11,900 --> 00:40:10,200
were some haters and the best I can say

850
00:40:14,900 --> 00:40:11,910
is just don't engage

851
00:40:17,990 --> 00:40:14,910
and try to always maintain the idea of

852
00:40:22,190 --> 00:40:18,000
like you know maybe if they had a good

853
00:40:24,499 --> 00:40:22,200
experience with with this at the end of

854
00:40:26,180 --> 00:40:24,509
the day they'll be a little softer on it

855
00:40:30,019 --> 00:40:26,190
but there's just people you're not gonna

856
00:40:31,970 --> 00:40:30,029
sway and I'm always glad to have the

857
00:40:36,890 --> 00:40:31,980
discussion because the discussion

858
00:40:39,589 --> 00:40:36,900
happens when that was so ok so I work to

859
00:40:42,740 --> 00:40:39,599
steward a lake that most of everybody in

860
00:40:44,779 --> 00:40:42,750
the Salt Lake Valley hates like I mean I

861
00:40:46,370 --> 00:40:44,789
joke around that my parents almost

862
00:40:49,190 --> 00:40:46,380
disowned me when I told them that I

863
00:40:51,380 --> 00:40:49,200
loved Great Salt Lake and people really

864
00:40:53,329 --> 00:40:51,390
have very negative feelings about the

865
00:40:55,700 --> 00:40:53,339
smell of the lake which hello it's

866
00:40:58,700 --> 00:40:55,710
microbes like transforming energy and

867
00:41:01,880 --> 00:40:58,710
metabolizing and when I can start

868
00:41:03,740 --> 00:41:01,890
talking about those things with people

869
00:41:05,720 --> 00:41:03,750
that hate Great Salt Lake like there's

870
00:41:09,259 --> 00:41:05,730
definitely an opening up and a

871
00:41:12,380 --> 00:41:09,269
conversation that happens where like I

872
00:41:14,329 --> 00:41:12,390
don't need to feel worried about you

873
00:41:16,940 --> 00:41:14,339
know it's giving somebody like some

874
00:41:18,740 --> 00:41:16,950
little facts about Great Salt Lake to

875
00:41:20,390 --> 00:41:18,750
maybe change their mind

876
00:41:37,910 --> 00:41:20,400
not everybody's always gonna like what

877
00:41:40,700 --> 00:41:37,920
you do I thought my job was hard hi

878
00:41:42,019 --> 00:41:40,710
so I was as you guys are introducing

879
00:41:43,999 --> 00:41:42,029
yourself I know that some of you said

880
00:41:45,980 --> 00:41:44,009
that you liked meeting in people and

881
00:41:49,789 --> 00:41:45,990
that you really excited about that but

882
00:41:51,200 --> 00:41:49,799
for me that's very scary um it's very

883
00:41:55,400 --> 00:41:51,210
scary to introduce myself and talk to

884
00:41:58,609 --> 00:41:55,410
people about science that may not have

885
00:42:02,390 --> 00:41:58,619
the same you know interest that I do and

886
00:42:05,140 --> 00:42:02,400
so I realized that there really is not a

887
00:42:08,509 --> 00:42:05,150
great substitution for that one-on-one

888
00:42:12,620 --> 00:42:08,519
personal interaction when you're trying

889
00:42:16,819 --> 00:42:12,630
to talk science to somebody but with

890
00:42:19,009 --> 00:42:16,829
that being said do you what what are

891
00:42:21,410 --> 00:42:19,019
your thoughts on the value of things

892
00:42:24,920 --> 00:42:21,420
like educational gaming or scientific

893
00:42:27,319 --> 00:42:24,930
games is a way to reach out to people

894
00:42:30,349 --> 00:42:27,329
who you may not even ever have the

895
00:42:32,839 --> 00:42:30,359
opportunity ever to meet in your life so

896
00:42:36,470 --> 00:42:32,849
we wrote a book recently that was

897
00:42:39,410 --> 00:42:36,480
published and I don't really have to

898
00:42:41,030 --> 00:42:39,420
talk to anybody to get this like you

899
00:42:43,849 --> 00:42:41,040
know my parents or grandparents are

900
00:42:46,670 --> 00:42:43,859
reading this book about the great great

901
00:42:50,089 --> 00:42:46,680
salt lake monster I don't have to talk

902
00:42:52,549 --> 00:42:50,099
to them at all and it is a really great

903
00:42:56,180 --> 00:42:52,559
way that that we've been able to get

904
00:42:58,010 --> 00:42:56,190
into the community and so I would say

905
00:43:00,170 --> 00:42:58,020
you know think about your superpowers

906
00:43:03,500 --> 00:43:00,180
right I mean you all have superpowers

907
00:43:06,319 --> 00:43:03,510
and figure out what those are and maybe

908
00:43:08,480 --> 00:43:06,329
it's you know writing a kid's story

909
00:43:10,579 --> 00:43:08,490
which really is harder than writing a

910
00:43:14,960 --> 00:43:10,589
scientific paper it took us five years

911
00:43:16,670 --> 00:43:14,970
to write this and it like our goal was

912
00:43:19,010 --> 00:43:16,680
to have it published before she

913
00:43:21,799 --> 00:43:19,020
graduated college and luckily like we

914
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:21,809
had it done before that but we just held

915
00:43:26,270 --> 00:43:24,089
onto this little seed of like hey oh

916
00:43:27,829 --> 00:43:26,280
honey and I were moms and we've raised

917
00:43:29,539 --> 00:43:27,839
our kids at Great Salt Lake

918
00:43:31,490 --> 00:43:29,549
while we're educating our college

919
00:43:33,559 --> 00:43:31,500
students in our community about the lake

920
00:43:35,660 --> 00:43:33,569
and we've learned a lot from our kids

921
00:43:38,180 --> 00:43:35,670
about it so we're gonna put that into a

922
00:43:39,920 --> 00:43:38,190
book and so these kids they're looking

923
00:43:41,870 --> 00:43:39,930
for the Great Salt Lake monster and

924
00:43:44,089 --> 00:43:41,880
while they don't find the Great Salt

925
00:43:46,220 --> 00:43:44,099
Lake monster they do find lots of cool

926
00:43:48,049 --> 00:43:46,230
things about it like what birds are out

927
00:43:49,849 --> 00:43:48,059
there and that the microbes are

928
00:43:51,680 --> 00:43:49,859
transforming energy and that the lake

929
00:43:55,010 --> 00:43:51,690
doesn't stink it smells like science

930
00:43:58,819 --> 00:43:55,020
right and so I think that's a good way

931
00:44:00,380 --> 00:43:58,829
but also gaming and I'm and I'm not

932
00:44:03,289 --> 00:44:00,390
super familiar with that we do have

933
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:03,299
college students that are analyzing we

934
00:44:09,079 --> 00:44:06,930
have like three hundred thousand images

935
00:44:12,200 --> 00:44:09,089
of breeding pelicans from a remote

936
00:44:14,720 --> 00:44:12,210
island in Great Salt Lake that we put on

937
00:44:17,230 --> 00:44:14,730
Zooniverse so xenoverse at work is

938
00:44:19,490 --> 00:44:17,240
people power and research and people

939
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:19,500
3,000 people from all across the world

940
00:44:24,030 --> 00:44:22,170
are sitting at their computers counting

941
00:44:25,950 --> 00:44:24,040
how many pelicans are in the pink

942
00:44:28,530 --> 00:44:25,960
and they have eggs and if there are

943
00:44:31,230 --> 00:44:28,540
babies or if there are people are

944
00:44:35,130 --> 00:44:31,240
coyotes and they're learning about it at

945
00:44:37,530 --> 00:44:35,140
the same time and I would also say one

946
00:44:40,400 --> 00:44:37,540
of the biggest one of the biggest

947
00:44:44,190 --> 00:44:40,410
questions that in request that I get is

948
00:44:46,170 --> 00:44:44,200
firm teachers and how can I use Great

949
00:44:49,380 --> 00:44:46,180
Salt Lake in my classroom and what data

950
00:44:51,330 --> 00:44:49,390
do you have that I can work with and at

951
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:51,340
first I tried to like reinvent the wheel

952
00:44:55,710 --> 00:44:53,650
and build curriculum and then I realized

953
00:44:58,620 --> 00:44:55,720
I was like really yeah and then I

954
00:45:00,330 --> 00:44:58,630
said that sorry for that and so instead

955
00:45:02,880 --> 00:45:00,340
of me trying to build curriculum I

956
00:45:06,960 --> 00:45:02,890
partner with people in public school

957
00:45:08,700 --> 00:45:06,970
districts that do so um that minimizes

958
00:45:10,800 --> 00:45:08,710
like the social time and you don't have

959
00:45:17,310 --> 00:45:10,810
to stand up in front of 300 people and

960
00:45:19,610 --> 00:45:17,320
like bury your science story so I'm

961
00:45:23,040 --> 00:45:19,620
gonna use my powers and a smile question

962
00:45:24,450 --> 00:45:23,050
but so I'm really curious because I mean

963
00:45:26,610 --> 00:45:24,460
as a chemist I think about things and

964
00:45:30,330 --> 00:45:26,620
like activation barriers and it's easy

965
00:45:31,890 --> 00:45:30,340
for me to go to a bar or elsewhere but

966
00:45:33,240 --> 00:45:31,900
I'm really curious about the process of

967
00:45:37,950 --> 00:45:33,250
like going to a correctional facility

968
00:45:38,940 --> 00:45:37,960
and working with people there and what

969
00:45:40,800 --> 00:45:38,950
does it look like getting in there

970
00:45:41,940 --> 00:45:40,810
because I think in my head it sounds

971
00:45:43,320 --> 00:45:41,950
like it's something that would be much

972
00:45:44,550 --> 00:45:43,330
more difficult and I'm guessing it's

973
00:45:47,430 --> 00:45:44,560
probably a little bit of my own

974
00:45:49,470 --> 00:45:47,440
misconception right we have lots of

975
00:45:51,630 --> 00:45:49,480
volunteers we have 400 volunteers that

976
00:45:54,170 --> 00:45:51,640
come and work at some capacity inside of

977
00:45:57,660 --> 00:45:54,180
our facility and at the Oxbow Joe

978
00:46:00,810 --> 00:45:57,670
Knoxville Joe is a lot smaller there are

979
00:46:03,570 --> 00:46:00,820
three pots in there that could be fully

980
00:46:07,380 --> 00:46:03,580
open we only have funding for two right

981
00:46:08,880 --> 00:46:07,390
now but yeah it's as simple as if you

982
00:46:11,850 --> 00:46:08,890
have something that you want to come in

983
00:46:14,310 --> 00:46:11,860
and teach or you know sure you could

984
00:46:16,680 --> 00:46:14,320
just put in for a volunteer they do a

985
00:46:21,300 --> 00:46:16,690
background check and then

986
00:46:23,340 --> 00:46:21,310
I set you up to teach in whatever area

987
00:46:26,250 --> 00:46:23,350
that I feel it's going to suit their

988
00:46:30,180 --> 00:46:26,260
needs or you could come in the back way

989
00:46:50,690 --> 00:46:30,190
find out yourself but I wouldn't suggest

990
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:53,180
it's just word of mouth if there's

991
00:46:58,790 --> 00:46:55,050
something you think that you could bring

992
00:47:03,770 --> 00:46:58,800
to the table I would say just get in

993
00:47:06,560 --> 00:47:03,780
touch with with the facility and I know

994
00:47:08,870 --> 00:47:06,570
that we're above and beyond most gels

995
00:47:11,450 --> 00:47:08,880
throughout the country with what we

996
00:47:14,780 --> 00:47:11,460
offer we've always tried to be ahead of

997
00:47:17,630 --> 00:47:14,790
the curve and we do a lot of forward

998
00:47:20,060 --> 00:47:17,640
thinking with our facility we're usually

999
00:47:23,090 --> 00:47:20,070
the first at something you know we have

1000
00:47:24,890 --> 00:47:23,100
a very clean clean facility the first

1001
00:47:27,080 --> 00:47:24,900
time I had ever been inside of that

1002
00:47:30,590 --> 00:47:27,090
facility was when I started the Academy

1003
00:47:34,150 --> 00:47:30,600
and you know walking into that places

1004
00:47:39,140 --> 00:47:34,160
it's kind of scary it's really big and

1005
00:47:42,230 --> 00:47:39,150
there's near smell sometimes more more

1006
00:47:43,160 --> 00:47:42,240
sewing in other areas but um it's not

1007
00:47:44,990 --> 00:47:43,170
what you think so

1008
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:45,000
you can always I think it's the third

1009
00:47:49,940 --> 00:47:47,490
Saturday of every month we do have tours

1010
00:47:52,370 --> 00:47:49,950
so if you wanted to ever come in and

1011
00:47:54,110 --> 00:47:52,380
tour our facility I would recommend that

1012
00:47:57,800 --> 00:47:54,120
it's a lot different than what you see

1013
00:48:00,710 --> 00:47:57,810
on TV I really enjoy it there though

1014
00:48:04,130 --> 00:48:00,720
I've been there 12 years so eight more

1015
00:48:10,820 --> 00:48:04,140
and I get to retire okay can i abused my

1016
00:48:13,670 --> 00:48:10,830
powers and ask a question what inspired

1017
00:48:20,270 --> 00:48:13,680
you to to be a part of this Academy into

1018
00:48:26,240 --> 00:48:20,280
crazy why did I start so I did rappel

1019
00:48:32,540 --> 00:48:26,250
for 16 years and I was always taking

1020
00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:32,550
down the bad guys 120-pound monk I'm

1021
00:48:43,190 --> 00:48:35,570
flying out an hour and takes out a

1022
00:48:48,920 --> 00:48:43,200
shoplifter but it's true so there was an

1023
00:48:51,050 --> 00:48:48,930
undercover person at our store and he

1024
00:48:54,850 --> 00:48:51,060
saw what I did one time this guy was

1025
00:48:57,540 --> 00:48:54,860
just huge and took out his lights but um

1026
00:48:59,730 --> 00:48:57,550
he says you need to come work with us

1027
00:49:02,700 --> 00:48:59,740
and I thought orders where's this and

1028
00:49:04,260 --> 00:49:02,710
he's at the gel and I said well I don't

1029
00:49:06,540 --> 00:49:04,270
want to work at the prison and he's like

1030
00:49:07,850 --> 00:49:06,550
it's not the prison the gel it's totally

1031
00:49:13,110 --> 00:49:07,860
different

1032
00:49:15,150 --> 00:49:13,120
okay my kids were five and seven I was

1033
00:49:17,520 --> 00:49:15,160
married at the time and I went home and

1034
00:49:20,220 --> 00:49:17,530
shared the story with my ex-husband now

1035
00:49:25,730 --> 00:49:20,230
and he said no you're not gonna work at

1036
00:49:29,850 --> 00:49:28,260
no it means that started the process and

1037
00:49:31,710 --> 00:49:29,860
six months later I was hired

1038
00:49:33,900 --> 00:49:31,720
it was quite this quite the ordeal I was

1039
00:49:34,290 --> 00:49:33,910
32 I hadn't taken a test since high

1040
00:49:37,110 --> 00:49:34,300
school

1041
00:49:40,830 --> 00:49:37,120
and I'm out there doing PT stuff and

1042
00:49:44,970 --> 00:49:40,840
being a mom it does nothing for your

1043
00:49:49,080 --> 00:49:44,980
bladder we'll just say that my pants a

1044
00:49:52,260 --> 00:49:49,090
little I know but I made it through 12

1045
00:49:53,610 --> 00:49:52,270
years later I'm in there I've I've had a

1046
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:53,620
lot of opportunities within that

1047
00:50:00,150 --> 00:49:56,170
facility anything that I've put forth

1048
00:50:03,720 --> 00:50:00,160
I'd be able to achieve and honestly sky

1049
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:03,730
is the limit and but it's I love that

1050
00:50:09,800 --> 00:50:06,130
place I love where I work they're my

1051
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:09,810
family and it's we're not all bad guys

1052
00:50:14,250 --> 00:50:12,370
we want the prisoners to get out and not

1053
00:50:16,500 --> 00:50:14,260
come back you know when I say see you

1054
00:50:18,750 --> 00:50:16,510
next week that you know I might look for

1055
00:50:21,270 --> 00:50:18,760
there you know I'm not coming back and

1056
00:50:23,520 --> 00:50:21,280
then they come back I told her I said I

1057
00:50:26,220 --> 00:50:23,530
told you I'd punch you in the nose when

1058
00:50:30,360 --> 00:50:26,230
you came in so come here you know they

1059
00:50:32,970 --> 00:50:30,370
don't like that but for the most part I

1060
00:50:35,160 --> 00:50:32,980
think we do a really good job over there

1061
00:50:37,250 --> 00:50:35,170
we have a garden program although if you

1062
00:50:40,320 --> 00:50:37,260
guys go to the farmers market downtown

1063
00:50:44,370 --> 00:50:40,330
or at leave our farm we're there every

1064
00:50:47,550 --> 00:50:44,380
weekend and we have huge garden with

1065
00:50:50,930 --> 00:50:47,560
flowers and really yummy stuff so we're

1066
00:50:56,749 --> 00:50:53,890
I went off a lot in the field there so

1067
00:50:58,519 --> 00:50:56,759
I'm kind of laughing because sometimes I

1068
00:51:01,940 --> 00:50:58,529
talk about my college students the way

1069
00:51:22,849 --> 00:51:01,950
she talks about her prisoners I'm gonna

1070
00:51:24,589 --> 00:51:22,859
punch you in the nose okay the only

1071
00:51:28,370 --> 00:51:24,599
difference between the dowel in the

1072
00:51:35,749 --> 00:51:28,380
prison the prison has a lot of it long

1073
00:51:39,289 --> 00:51:35,759
term the gel we have it's pretrial

1074
00:51:40,910 --> 00:51:39,299
detainee so even within that once if

1075
00:51:42,710 --> 00:51:40,920
they've been sentenced to a year we

1076
00:51:45,589 --> 00:51:42,720
usually give them good time if they

1077
00:51:47,799 --> 00:51:45,599
participate in the programs so they

1078
00:51:50,569 --> 00:51:47,809
could knock off 15 days off of a

1079
00:51:52,430 --> 00:51:50,579
sentence so if they got since the 30

1080
00:51:55,249 --> 00:51:52,440
days then they're only never happened

1081
00:51:57,109 --> 00:51:55,259
that so but that's me that's the only

1082
00:52:00,019 --> 00:51:57,119
difference between the jail but the

1083
00:52:03,920 --> 00:52:00,029
prison and I don't know why the prison

1084
00:52:11,809 --> 00:52:03,930
is scary for me I don't know why we have

1085
00:52:13,730 --> 00:52:11,819
the same I guess the same population are

1086
00:52:15,140 --> 00:52:13,740
people they come in you know still with

1087
00:52:17,660 --> 00:52:15,150
blood on their hands from what they just

1088
00:52:22,730 --> 00:52:17,670
did and I don't know why the prison was

1089
00:52:25,900 --> 00:52:22,740
scarier something that she was talked

1090
00:52:30,109 --> 00:52:25,910
about kind of spurred this idea of like

1091
00:52:32,210 --> 00:52:30,119
give give your thing a name so when we

1092
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,220
started at Great Salt Lake Institute we

1093
00:52:36,140 --> 00:52:34,559
didn't we didn't have anything it was

1094
00:52:38,240 --> 00:52:36,150
Westminster College we had biology

1095
00:52:40,579 --> 00:52:38,250
students who were doing research and

1096
00:52:42,040 --> 00:52:40,589
then we gave it the name great audience

1097
00:52:44,020 --> 00:52:42,050
to do and the

1098
00:52:45,610 --> 00:52:44,030
we got like a five hundred and sixty

1099
00:52:48,730 --> 00:52:45,620
thousand dollar grant from the

1100
00:52:52,330 --> 00:52:48,740
Department of Workforce Services to

1101
00:52:54,700 --> 00:52:52,340
interest kids in science and math and in

1102
00:52:57,340 --> 00:52:54,710
and over since that time we've raised

1103
00:52:59,620 --> 00:52:57,350
over two million dollars some of them

1104
00:53:02,980 --> 00:52:59,630
from NASA some of them from private

1105
00:53:06,580 --> 00:53:02,990
foundations some of them from I'm

1106
00:53:08,170 --> 00:53:06,590
forgetting all of it but giving your

1107
00:53:11,110 --> 00:53:08,180
thing and name and getting your

1108
00:53:13,450 --> 00:53:11,120
institution to buy into that I think is

1109
00:53:16,930 --> 00:53:13,460
super important if you go about it in a

1110
00:53:19,240 --> 00:53:16,940
way that like you can sustain that they

1111
00:53:21,220 --> 00:53:19,250
can be very very successful and I think

1112
00:53:23,350 --> 00:53:21,230
you know her prison program is one of

1113
00:53:25,510 --> 00:53:23,360
them the U of you has this Center for

1114
00:53:27,760 --> 00:53:25,520
science and math education and they're

1115
00:53:30,340 --> 00:53:27,770
also I think working in the prison and

1116
00:53:32,740 --> 00:53:30,350
having prison inmates doing things but

1117
00:53:37,650 --> 00:53:32,750
giving it that name and that home is

1118
00:53:55,360 --> 00:53:42,490
hey so more questions

1119
00:53:57,520 --> 00:53:55,370
sorry I'm not a true-crime and often

1120
00:54:02,260 --> 00:53:57,530
times these groupies convicted criminals

1121
00:54:05,940 --> 00:54:02,270
are overlooked people often forget that

1122
00:54:08,980 --> 00:54:05,950
they're gonna be released and this time

1123
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:08,990
so I want to know more about like what

1124
00:54:12,190 --> 00:54:10,850
is the usual lecturer run like for you

1125
00:54:15,130 --> 00:54:12,200
guys I do you guys have a really big

1126
00:54:16,510 --> 00:54:15,140
turnout are there any and then what are

1127
00:54:18,220 --> 00:54:16,520
some of the challenges and then more

1128
00:54:22,630 --> 00:54:18,230
successes that you've had with this

1129
00:54:25,030 --> 00:54:22,640
program um the inspirer program so far

1130
00:54:26,770 --> 00:54:25,040
has just it's only been there I think it

1131
00:54:29,530 --> 00:54:26,780
started right before I came over so

1132
00:54:31,150 --> 00:54:29,540
probably six to seven months now so I

1133
00:54:33,640 --> 00:54:31,160
know I'm represent and they go into the

1134
00:54:38,080 --> 00:54:33,650
female units which is like herding cats

1135
00:54:40,750 --> 00:54:38,090
a half the time so but overall our

1136
00:54:44,650 --> 00:54:40,760
treatment program we have a it's really

1137
00:54:47,800 --> 00:54:44,660
successful our garden program there was

1138
00:54:49,580 --> 00:54:47,810
a gentleman who once he left he used the

1139
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:49,590
tools in the trade that he has learned

1140
00:54:54,260 --> 00:54:52,770
because it's also a teaching aspect out

1141
00:54:57,650 --> 00:54:54,270
in the garden so they learn you know

1142
00:54:59,810 --> 00:54:57,660
different like botany and and what does

1143
00:55:02,120 --> 00:54:59,820
well and what and how to grow things and

1144
00:55:04,070 --> 00:55:02,130
the sowing of the seeds and all of that

1145
00:55:07,700 --> 00:55:04,080
so they actually take ownership of what

1146
00:55:09,800 --> 00:55:07,710
they're doing but he was hired right out

1147
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:09,810
from that and they get their food

1148
00:55:17,030 --> 00:55:13,290
handler's permit as well and he started

1149
00:55:19,580 --> 00:55:17,040
out as a waiter as a waiter and now he

1150
00:55:21,620 --> 00:55:19,590
runs a restaurant and that was two years

1151
00:55:25,490 --> 00:55:21,630
so he's able to get married and have a

1152
00:55:28,430 --> 00:55:25,500
kid and start of a life for his family I

1153
00:55:30,590 --> 00:55:28,440
think that we have a lot more success

1154
00:55:32,750 --> 00:55:30,600
stories but I don't think that they

1155
00:55:34,610 --> 00:55:32,760
always come back and want to share their

1156
00:55:38,420 --> 00:55:34,620
like screw that place I'm never going

1157
00:55:40,220 --> 00:55:38,430
back you know but no I think that as far

1158
00:55:42,140 --> 00:55:40,230
as the treatments Pro treatment programs

1159
00:55:46,190 --> 00:55:42,150
there's some that it's hit miss it is

1160
00:55:47,540 --> 00:55:46,200
like a revolving door and and that's

1161
00:55:49,490 --> 00:55:47,550
really disappointing because literally

1162
00:55:53,300 --> 00:55:49,500
when I say I'll see you next week we do

1163
00:55:55,340 --> 00:55:53,310
if not that night you know which is very

1164
00:55:57,230 --> 00:55:55,350
unfortunate because the gel sucks and

1165
00:55:58,970 --> 00:55:57,240
then you like to complain about how

1166
00:56:00,740 --> 00:55:58,980
awful it is and I always say well then

1167
00:56:04,370 --> 00:56:00,750
quit coming back you know the food is

1168
00:56:06,710 --> 00:56:04,380
not gonna change bud but yeah I think

1169
00:56:10,420 --> 00:56:06,720
overall it's a really good program I'm I

1170
00:56:16,600 --> 00:56:10,430
wish I had more success stories for you

1171
00:56:20,720 --> 00:56:19,220
sorry I just have one more quick

1172
00:56:23,900 --> 00:56:20,730
question sort of well work well we're on

1173
00:56:26,750 --> 00:56:23,910
this so um it I I'm in Berkeley and so I

1174
00:56:28,970 --> 00:56:26,760
am a volunteer at San Quentin in this

1175
00:56:30,680 --> 00:56:28,980
really cool program that's um the prison

1176
00:56:33,080 --> 00:56:30,690
University project where it's an

1177
00:56:35,300 --> 00:56:33,090
in-person teaching and they get

1178
00:56:37,580 --> 00:56:35,310
associate's degrees at the end and so I

1179
00:56:39,560 --> 00:56:37,590
go in once a week and teach algebra and

1180
00:56:41,420 --> 00:56:39,570
one of the really great things I mean

1181
00:56:43,340 --> 00:56:41,430
being in a classroom with them they're

1182
00:56:45,260 --> 00:56:43,350
they're just like the most engaged

1183
00:56:47,570 --> 00:56:45,270
students I've ever really had because

1184
00:56:49,040 --> 00:56:47,580
they want to be there and they really

1185
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:49,050
many of them haven't been in a classroom

1186
00:56:53,270 --> 00:56:51,330
for you know thirty years or something

1187
00:56:55,910 --> 00:56:53,280
like that but they're so excited to

1188
00:56:58,220 --> 00:56:55,920
learn you know how to graph an

1189
00:56:59,420 --> 00:56:58,230
inequality or you know whatever and you

1190
00:57:01,010 --> 00:56:59,430
don't always get that with college

1191
00:57:01,910 --> 00:57:01,020
students you know eighteen year olds who

1192
00:57:02,390 --> 00:57:01,920
don't really want to be in a general

1193
00:57:05,510 --> 00:57:02,400
campus

1194
00:57:06,680 --> 00:57:05,520
class and so I was wondering and maybe

1195
00:57:09,769 --> 00:57:06,690
with jail being a little bit more

1196
00:57:13,130 --> 00:57:09,779
short-term is there any like agency that

1197
00:57:14,900 --> 00:57:13,140
the inmates have to sort of bring in

1198
00:57:16,910 --> 00:57:14,910
outside speakers or like how the input

1199
00:57:18,319 --> 00:57:16,920
on who you bring in for inspire and

1200
00:57:20,299 --> 00:57:18,329
stuff like that because because that's

1201
00:57:22,940 --> 00:57:20,309
one of the great things but this project

1202
00:57:25,339 --> 00:57:22,950
is that it's it's somewhat in inmate

1203
00:57:27,289 --> 00:57:25,349
directed in terms of at least some of

1204
00:57:30,079 --> 00:57:27,299
the the interactions and the outside

1205
00:57:32,390 --> 00:57:30,089
speakers that they have yeah as of right

1206
00:57:35,299 --> 00:57:32,400
now no I'm it's actually a surprise for

1207
00:57:36,710 --> 00:57:35,309
me every time last time the class we

1208
00:57:38,660 --> 00:57:36,720
taught yesterday was on Parkinson's

1209
00:57:41,930 --> 00:57:38,670
disease which I thought was really

1210
00:57:44,779 --> 00:57:41,940
interesting so usually I get I get

1211
00:57:47,150 --> 00:57:44,789
excited with them but as of right now

1212
00:57:48,529 --> 00:57:47,160
they don't get to choose but that could

1213
00:57:49,130 --> 00:57:48,539
be something we could look at in the

1214
00:57:50,539 --> 00:57:49,140
future

1215
00:57:52,760 --> 00:57:50,549
and seeing if there's something that

1216
00:57:55,640 --> 00:57:52,770
they would like to learn I want to get

1217
00:57:59,589 --> 00:57:55,650
them more based on career opportunities

1218
00:58:01,849 --> 00:57:59,599
for them we had a computer code

1219
00:58:04,010 --> 00:58:01,859
instructor come in I don't know what

1220
00:58:06,710 --> 00:58:04,020
they're called it's like over my like

1221
00:58:08,269 --> 00:58:06,720
computer work but that was really

1222
00:58:11,599 --> 00:58:08,279
interesting and they were so engaged

1223
00:58:13,490 --> 00:58:11,609
because half of the the ladies either

1224
00:58:14,450 --> 00:58:13,500
knew what they were talking about or you

1225
00:58:16,099 --> 00:58:14,460
know hey that's something I could

1226
00:58:18,980 --> 00:58:16,109
totally do because he highlighted the

1227
00:58:21,289 --> 00:58:18,990
fact that anyone can do this and that

1228
00:58:23,900 --> 00:58:21,299
the main person he talked about was

1229
00:58:26,990 --> 00:58:23,910
actually a criminal now he makes lots of

1230
00:58:29,359 --> 00:58:27,000
money though rightly so yeah I'm trying

1231
00:58:31,130 --> 00:58:29,369
to get a more based on on some

1232
00:58:36,890 --> 00:58:31,140
opportunities for careers that when they

1233
00:58:37,970 --> 00:58:36,900
get up high so I'm sort of pivoting

1234
00:58:40,099 --> 00:58:37,980
sorry for that

1235
00:58:42,500 --> 00:58:40,109
so pivoting back to what you mentioned

1236
00:58:44,809 --> 00:58:42,510
at the very beginning about storytelling

1237
00:58:47,120 --> 00:58:44,819
and making that kind of pivotal to your

1238
00:58:48,890 --> 00:58:47,130
science communication any good story

1239
00:58:51,319 --> 00:58:48,900
involves conflicts whether that be

1240
00:58:53,329 --> 00:58:51,329
interpersonal or some other form is

1241
00:58:55,490 --> 00:58:53,339
there any form in particular that you

1242
00:58:57,680 --> 00:58:55,500
find to be more effective in conveying

1243
00:58:59,510 --> 00:58:57,690
your science or is it more story

1244
00:59:02,390 --> 00:58:59,520
dependent in terms of like what type of

1245
00:59:05,809 --> 00:59:02,400
science you want to convey I think it

1246
00:59:08,510 --> 00:59:05,819
really depends on you and like what your

1247
00:59:11,180 --> 00:59:08,520
personal experiences are because like if

1248
00:59:12,680 --> 00:59:11,190
you came up here and told me about how

1249
00:59:15,109 --> 00:59:12,690
when you were breastfeeding your

1250
00:59:19,760 --> 00:59:15,119
that a bomb went off in the West desert

1251
00:59:21,290 --> 00:59:19,770
I'd be like your dude right so like and

1252
00:59:23,690 --> 00:59:21,300
you're not gonna feel the same thing

1253
00:59:25,190 --> 00:59:23,700
that I felt when I was pumping my breast

1254
00:59:27,589 --> 00:59:25,200
milk in the middle of Great Salt Lake

1255
00:59:30,170 --> 00:59:27,599
and a bomb went off and I could see that

1256
00:59:32,660 --> 00:59:30,180
that you know out the window of the boat

1257
00:59:35,300 --> 00:59:32,670
that little like round portal that you

1258
00:59:38,210 --> 00:59:35,310
see I could see this like mushroom cloud

1259
00:59:40,099 --> 00:59:38,220
that was like going off in the West

1260
00:59:42,500 --> 00:59:40,109
desert and then I can start talking

1261
00:59:44,240 --> 00:59:42,510
about what might have been in that and

1262
00:59:46,640 --> 00:59:44,250
how it made me feel and it's much

1263
00:59:48,319 --> 00:59:46,650
different than it would be then if you

1264
00:59:50,329 --> 00:59:48,329
told this story so I think it's very

1265
00:59:52,370 --> 00:59:50,339
dependent on you and it's very dependent

1266
00:59:57,920 --> 00:59:52,380
on the story and what you're trying to

1267
01:00:03,200 --> 00:59:57,930
convey I think it's your question about

1268
01:00:04,640 --> 01:00:03,210
conflicts sometimes I think the the

1269
01:00:07,160 --> 01:00:04,650
thing that's a challenge from a

1270
01:00:09,170 --> 01:00:07,170
journalistic point of view is what is

1271
01:00:12,950 --> 01:00:09,180
the big question that you're trying to

1272
01:00:15,650 --> 01:00:12,960
chip away at and that's very rare if not

1273
01:00:18,170 --> 01:00:15,660
impossible to make scientific progress

1274
01:00:20,030 --> 01:00:18,180
that really answers one of the big

1275
01:00:22,280 --> 01:00:20,040
scientific questions that you know

1276
01:00:25,940 --> 01:00:22,290
generations before us have been you know

1277
01:00:28,339 --> 01:00:25,950
hit their heads against non-stop so I

1278
01:00:30,950 --> 01:00:28,349
think there's sort of two ways to get at

1279
01:00:32,599 --> 01:00:30,960
that one is the what is new about what

1280
01:00:35,809 --> 01:00:32,609
you're working on what is the small

1281
01:00:38,030 --> 01:00:35,819
incremental little turn and then how can

1282
01:00:39,559 --> 01:00:38,040
you zoom back and put that in context in

1283
01:00:42,680 --> 01:00:39,569
terms of chipping away at then being

1284
01:00:44,300 --> 01:00:42,690
questioned I was talking about someone

1285
01:00:46,309 --> 01:00:44,310
earlier you know we're probably never

1286
01:00:48,319 --> 01:00:46,319
going to wake up to headlines of just

1287
01:00:51,980 --> 01:00:48,329
like proof of life beyond Earth done

1288
01:00:54,559 --> 01:00:51,990
next item if the answerable may never

1289
01:00:57,170 --> 01:00:54,569
arrive that cleanly but if it if it is

1290
01:00:59,870 --> 01:00:57,180
you know coming incrementally being able

1291
01:01:03,770 --> 01:00:59,880
to talk about here's what the new you

1292
01:01:05,480 --> 01:01:03,780
know the latest drop is and then why

1293
01:01:11,059 --> 01:01:05,490
does that matter what is the bigger

1294
01:01:15,740 --> 01:01:11,069
question does that help yeah and I agree

1295
01:01:19,849 --> 01:01:15,750
with all of that I think - it's really

1296
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:19,859
important - even if your topic is really

1297
01:01:24,890 --> 01:01:21,570
specific and

1298
01:01:26,810 --> 01:01:24,900
necessarily palatable to everyone it's

1299
01:01:28,670 --> 01:01:26,820
really important to get out why you got

1300
01:01:31,070 --> 01:01:28,680
passionate about that in the first place

1301
01:01:35,750 --> 01:01:31,080
because we all have that story rate of

1302
01:01:38,960 --> 01:01:35,760
how we got to being in a lab at midnight

1303
01:01:41,270 --> 01:01:38,970
you know pipetting something we have

1304
01:01:43,640 --> 01:01:41,280
that story of what led us there you know

1305
01:01:45,650 --> 01:01:43,650
and often that touches on the

1306
01:01:50,590 --> 01:01:45,660
overarching picture of what we're doing

1307
01:01:54,140 --> 01:01:50,600
so I think that really can reach people

1308
01:01:56,360 --> 01:01:54,150
if they see why you're passionate about

1309
01:02:00,880 --> 01:01:56,370
doing this thing that otherwise might

1310
01:02:04,100 --> 01:02:00,890
seem mundane or really specific and not

1311
01:02:07,070 --> 01:02:04,110
generalizable to everyone if they can

1312
01:02:10,190 --> 01:02:07,080
see what led you down that road to that

1313
01:02:13,190 --> 01:02:10,200
passion they can really get drawn in one

1314
01:02:15,740 --> 01:02:13,200
of the best science on top talks that we

1315
01:02:19,070 --> 01:02:15,750
had was about the spleen like who cares

1316
01:02:22,010 --> 01:02:19,080
about the spleen right and and she just

1317
01:02:24,410 --> 01:02:22,020
told this story in a way that made it

1318
01:02:26,270 --> 01:02:24,420
really fascinating and really engaging

1319
01:02:28,490 --> 01:02:26,280
she even brought an ultrasound machine

1320
01:02:31,280 --> 01:02:28,500
and everyone wanted to go get their

1321
01:02:33,770 --> 01:02:31,290
spleen looked at at the end and who even

1322
01:02:36,740 --> 01:02:33,780
want who even cares you know initially

1323
01:02:39,380 --> 01:02:36,750
going into a talk like that so find what

1324
01:02:41,540 --> 01:02:39,390
your passion is what story can you tell

1325
01:02:44,330 --> 01:02:41,550
that led you to this really specific

1326
01:02:47,600 --> 01:02:44,340
moment in time and that can kind of take

1327
01:02:50,270 --> 01:02:47,610
you out of your specialty and back into

1328
01:02:53,750 --> 01:02:50,280
the real world so we're going to take

1329
01:02:56,180 --> 01:02:53,760
one last question and I would say like

1330
01:02:57,770 --> 01:02:56,190
one thing I try to do a lot as I try at

1331
01:02:59,300 --> 01:02:57,780
the end of my talks or the end of my

1332
01:03:00,710 --> 01:02:59,310
story I mean it depends if it's a

1333
01:03:02,780 --> 01:03:00,720
five-minute story it's hard to do this

1334
01:03:04,910 --> 01:03:02,790
but if you're given an hour-long talk

1335
01:03:07,580 --> 01:03:04,920
and you just build people's brains with

1336
01:03:09,830 --> 01:03:07,590
like so many facts about Great Salt Lake

1337
01:03:12,470 --> 01:03:09,840
like I really try to boil it down to

1338
01:03:14,900 --> 01:03:12,480
like three very simple goals of that

1339
01:03:17,300 --> 01:03:14,910
talk like Great Salt Lake is important

1340
01:03:20,600 --> 01:03:17,310
it's important for birds and humans and

1341
01:03:22,910 --> 01:03:20,610
it has a big economic benefit to the

1342
01:03:25,760 --> 01:03:22,920
city like reiterating those things that

1343
01:03:27,530 --> 01:03:25,770
you told them through your talk to just

1344
01:03:29,230 --> 01:03:27,540
like focus or I'm like what they're

1345
01:03:35,670 --> 01:03:29,240
going to tell their friends or their

1346
01:03:38,920 --> 01:03:35,680
or whatever it is so given the rise of

1347
01:03:42,160 --> 01:03:38,930
not anti science but anti consensus

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01:03:46,180 --> 01:03:42,170
science groups like anti-vaxxers and

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01:03:49,600 --> 01:03:46,190
flat-earthers that use selective data

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01:03:53,020 --> 01:03:49,610
and are often driven by conspiratorial

1351
01:03:54,960 --> 01:03:53,030
thinking do you think there is a good

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01:03:58,570 --> 01:03:54,970
way to reach these populations which

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01:04:01,330 --> 01:03:58,580
generally fundamentally reject science

1354
01:04:03,340 --> 01:04:01,340
coming from sources of what would

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01:04:06,310 --> 01:04:03,350
generally consider be generally be

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01:04:09,310 --> 01:04:06,320
considered scientific Authority come

1357
01:04:12,600 --> 01:04:09,320
work in healthcare man I deal with

1358
01:04:15,190 --> 01:04:12,610
anti-vaxxers almost every day I think

1359
01:04:17,500 --> 01:04:15,200
but that's a population that comes to me

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01:04:21,580 --> 01:04:17,510
I don't deal with Flat Earth there's as

1361
01:04:24,750 --> 01:04:21,590
much to my knowledge at least they

1362
01:04:29,890 --> 01:04:24,760
haven't told me that to my face

1363
01:04:33,190 --> 01:04:29,900
but kind of reaching out on those groups

1364
01:04:35,200 --> 01:04:33,200
again I think it's hard to target those

1365
01:04:38,200 --> 01:04:35,210
groups in particular unless there's some

1366
01:04:42,460 --> 01:04:38,210
sort of Flat Earth convention like you

1367
01:04:44,770 --> 01:04:42,470
want to go to but just in everyday life

1368
01:04:47,410 --> 01:04:44,780
when they when I come across like an

1369
01:04:51,940 --> 01:04:47,420
aunt a boxer and the conversation goes

1370
01:04:53,200 --> 01:04:51,950
there again I kind of am just mindful of

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01:04:55,330 --> 01:04:53,210
like I want this to be a good

1372
01:04:58,720 --> 01:04:55,340
interaction but I'm not going to tell

1373
01:05:00,850 --> 01:04:58,730
them that they're great so it's a

1374
01:05:03,820 --> 01:05:00,860
balancing act of being like so I I'm

1375
01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:03,830
just a pretty straightforward person so

1376
01:05:07,990 --> 01:05:06,170
I'll just say you know in our worlds in

1377
01:05:11,260 --> 01:05:08,000
my in the world of healthcare there's

1378
01:05:13,900 --> 01:05:11,270
enough evidence to and enough studies

1379
01:05:17,380 --> 01:05:13,910
done to show that vaccinations don't

1380
01:05:19,990 --> 01:05:17,390
have this correlation with autism so we

1381
01:05:22,660 --> 01:05:20,000
don't see you know that perspective the

1382
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:22,670
same way and just speaking to someone in

1383
01:05:27,180 --> 01:05:24,650
a really straightforward way but not in

1384
01:05:30,310 --> 01:05:27,190
a way that's like you're an idiot

1385
01:05:33,100 --> 01:05:30,320
vaccinate your kids or talking down to

1386
01:05:35,920 --> 01:05:33,110
them I think is really important and

1387
01:05:36,359 --> 01:05:35,930
I've never really had a blow-out from it

1388
01:05:37,920 --> 01:05:36,369
you know

1389
01:05:38,940 --> 01:05:37,930
no one's been really angry with me

1390
01:05:40,920 --> 01:05:38,950
they're just like oh that's really

1391
01:05:43,819 --> 01:05:40,930
interesting and they might still hold

1392
01:05:46,230 --> 01:05:43,829
their beliefs at the end of it or

1393
01:05:48,120 --> 01:05:46,240
continue to not vaccinate their children

1394
01:05:50,609 --> 01:05:48,130
but they've had a good interaction with

1395
01:05:52,920 --> 01:05:50,619
me I've told them my perspective and the

1396
01:05:54,960 --> 01:05:52,930
perspective of health care and now they

1397
01:05:56,819 --> 01:05:54,970
have a little bit more information to

1398
01:05:59,039 --> 01:05:56,829
start incorporating into their life and

1399
01:06:00,630 --> 01:05:59,049
maybe if they have ten more of those

1400
01:06:03,480 --> 01:06:00,640
interactions they'll start to come

1401
01:06:05,609 --> 01:06:03,490
around but I certainly just open the

1402
01:06:07,589 --> 01:06:05,619
floor to be able to have a discussion if

1403
01:06:10,259 --> 01:06:07,599
they want to go there but I'm not going

1404
01:06:13,529 --> 01:06:10,269
to put them down or get in an argument

1405
01:06:15,390 --> 01:06:13,539
with about them in an argument with them

1406
01:06:18,809 --> 01:06:15,400
about it and in fact there's a lot of

1407
01:06:21,720 --> 01:06:18,819
good research about arguing and the

1408
01:06:23,190 --> 01:06:21,730
benefits of our viewing and it's really

1409
01:06:25,739 --> 01:06:23,200
that there aren't any benefits of

1410
01:06:28,380 --> 01:06:25,749
arguing in most situations when you

1411
01:06:31,019 --> 01:06:28,390
argue with a person both people come out

1412
01:06:33,599 --> 01:06:31,029
more solidified in their own stance that

1413
01:06:37,650 --> 01:06:33,609
they went into that argument going in

1414
01:06:39,839 --> 01:06:37,660
going into that argument with so arguing

1415
01:06:42,479 --> 01:06:39,849
I would avoid at all costs it's just

1416
01:06:44,970 --> 01:06:42,489
going to make things make that person

1417
01:06:48,989 --> 01:06:44,980
believe their own perspective more and

1418
01:06:51,769 --> 01:06:48,999
you believe your perspective more yeah

1419
01:06:55,019 --> 01:06:51,779
just to follow up on that my instinct is

1420
01:06:57,180 --> 01:06:55,029
it's in terms of bang for the buck your

1421
01:06:58,950 --> 01:06:57,190
energy may be better spent finding

1422
01:07:00,839 --> 01:06:58,960
people who just haven't thought very

1423
01:07:01,859 --> 01:07:00,849
hard about this subject than picking a

1424
01:07:05,190 --> 01:07:01,869
fight with people who are really

1425
01:07:08,309 --> 01:07:05,200
entrenched you might make more headway

1426
01:07:09,630 --> 01:07:08,319
and you know feel better about your work

1427
01:07:13,650 --> 01:07:09,640
not arguing with strangers on the

1428
01:07:15,509 --> 01:07:13,660
Internet through that approach I I think

1429
01:07:17,249 --> 01:07:15,519
about climate change a lot which may be

1430
01:07:20,849 --> 01:07:17,259
you know it's like a little polarizing

1431
01:07:23,130 --> 01:07:20,859
great now and I have been pretty

1432
01:07:25,229 --> 01:07:23,140
successful not in changing people's mind

1433
01:07:28,470 --> 01:07:25,239
but in talking to people just using

1434
01:07:30,120 --> 01:07:28,480
humor so instead of like kind of beating

1435
01:07:31,109 --> 01:07:30,130
down these facts about climate change

1436
01:07:33,390 --> 01:07:31,119
and blah blah blah

1437
01:07:36,029 --> 01:07:33,400
I might start out by telling people that

1438
01:07:37,559 --> 01:07:36,039
branch room have two penises and that

1439
01:07:39,870 --> 01:07:37,569
these male brains sure but you know

1440
01:07:42,900 --> 01:07:39,880
brine shrimp have sex in Great Salt Lake

1441
01:07:45,539 --> 01:07:42,910
and they make all of these little cysts

1442
01:07:47,789 --> 01:07:45,549
that go into aquaculture and so like it

1443
01:07:48,800 --> 01:07:47,799
feeds us this is part of our human food

1444
01:07:51,650 --> 01:07:48,810
chain

1445
01:07:54,950 --> 01:07:51,660
and we can start talking about like the

1446
01:07:57,170 --> 01:07:54,960
repercussions of like water diversions

1447
01:07:59,930 --> 01:07:57,180
and a drying Great Salt Lake not just

1448
01:08:02,090 --> 01:07:59,940
for like our economy and it all can

1449
01:08:04,310 --> 01:08:02,100
start with did you know that a male

1450
01:08:06,320 --> 01:08:04,320
branch reminds two penises really it's

1451
01:08:08,810 --> 01:08:06,330
called the Hemi peen but that isn't

1452
01:08:12,680 --> 01:08:08,820
necessarily important so I use a lot of

1453
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:12,690
humor to start conversations and then

1454
01:08:17,570 --> 01:08:14,850
kind of bring it back around to like

1455
01:08:19,340 --> 01:08:17,580
this does affect your economy this will

1456
01:08:21,980 --> 01:08:19,350
affect your help and kind of those

1457
01:08:24,440 --> 01:08:21,990
repercussions that are a little bit like

1458
01:08:27,200 --> 01:08:24,450
abstract too and colorizing when you can

1459
01:08:29,240 --> 01:08:27,210
turn your water on and you you don't

1460
01:08:38,510 --> 01:08:29,250
have to go to the well to collect it or